March 18, 2003

kiri · Post by **kiri** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:12 am

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Congratulations LEILAND on making IMMORTAL LEVEL!!!

Slart: fixes/update...and a plea

I just booted in a couple of fixes relating to demons:
- demons won't grow prayer heads anymore
- heads that cast sizzle will cast it on the mob now

File both of those under "duh..."

Now for the real news. Most of you know about the manual restore script
for demon avatars. I just added code to do the equipment and stats
restoration automatically when you hit level 151.

For the next day or so, if you avatar a demon, please note Kiri and me and
let us know how it went, and if there are any problems with the restore.

I've done my own testing with real pfiles and backups, but you can never
test everything, so your help in this manner will be appreciated. Also
note that if -- for whatever reason -- the mud crashes when you avatar,
we have all kinds of backups for this, so don't panic about losing anything.

Kiri: re: Tgames
Tgamers have voted, and Tgames will end in August 2003. Any teams that finish during
that time will be winners and will receive prizes.

These characters need to log in in the next two weeks or email me for their password:
Afterlife, Albrecht, Arliquin, Arowana, Barok, Bismark, Bonesaver, Breer, Caedras, Dingo, Dreadnought, Eldiablo, Gaidin, Gomba, Harazon, Hopper, How, Kalas, Kerin, Krackle, Lazer, Lebeau, Malthus, Mamoulian, Mocha, Muffy, Nayr, Odus, Riverrun, Salamander, Sirus, Skip, Skybird, Slippers, Snowt, Solitude, Sparky, stint, Swiftwing, Terrence, Warshark.

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IDEAS: (PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HIT REPLY!)

Its: a demon limb that can heal

Slab: allow 'help misc' for 'help miscellaneous'

Slab: put gratz history in colour

Gilvain: I heard a *rumor* that the max ac is -350, I suggest boosting it

Demonizer: it seems strange that mobs can flee while being crushed

Its: give demoms a limb that could perry an attack

Slab: allow people to con players

Dawne: perhaps starswords could be lighter so that you can dual wield them in the offhand with most weapons
without wielding a mage masher or something first

Moldfinger: judging by the message, if a wounded mob sees you trying to dive him and moves out of the way,
wouldn't he be rather annoyed and attack?

Slab: add a level argument to slist, like for the armorer... for example, 'slist 16 20' would list all new spells
available between levels 16 and 20

Teach: mana gain for a dwarf with 18(19) wis and 18 int when they level should be more than 2

Avio: I hate chasing around blood trails from bleeding mobs! Mobs shouldn't be able to move/flee if they're in
AWFUL condition!

Erin: a safeguard on the remort command

Cataclysm: being able to put groupmates current hp into prompt

Polgara: How about avatars having to type remort TWICE, just like delete. It would prevent more...accidents.

Polgara: How about a illithid skill called transport? It would let you teleport an item from one person to another.
TO prevent unnecessary transports, have a config transport on/off

Spite: if you have a mob in your tentacles the mob shouldn't be able to flee

Beanis: have a demon guild instead of having it at recall?

Polgara: How about one less eye spot for demons and a tail/waist spot instead?

Anakin: A command that can set antisummon/antisocial to certain people only

Anakin: A seperate room (like the RC's) where demon donated items go

RadicalEd: have a way to find what someone's afk message is without sending them a tell, and figuring out what
your current afk message is

Kharn: make the 'alarm' command so that you can use it with the Mud time too

Anakin: Attach the help file about damps in the help damage

Anakin: Make it so that demons can name the damage of their limbs (i.e serpent arm licks an ant)

Suicide: it should be impossible to summon a mob or player that's fighting

Slab: glare or charm should allow you to use a mob's spells through the mob you have glared, if it can cast spells.

Alicia: change the way mtell works such that you get 5 (N) storage slots for lists (mtell create tgames gillibipple,
amarilla,arabandia,racet,pyrite,spite). then you can mtell and it tells all those people who are on.
(mtell tgames howdy)

Scratch: also about area list, it would be nice if you could type "area lag" for instance and see what
levels a certain area is meant for

Suicide: maybe the dragon muzzle could, if at high enough levels or once at avatar, confer all the types of breath
for no mana cost, making it more useful and thus more used

Suicide: new remort race-banshees. can possess mobs (beat it into submission, once "dead", banshee becomes that
mob(gains spell casting and/or some function of hp/mana), probably lose hp and mana slowly at some fixed rate.

Johan: make tan more powerful, based on level - the items are timed...

Scratch: it would be interesting if samuel's winged sandals made you fly

Wizzywig: in my opinion, it would make sense if dexterity affected your hitroll

Slab: separate arena deaths from other deaths in the death count

Slab: make a mob type that is agressive when looked at

Slab: make all new spells on a level appear in a different colour (or in capitals or something) when typing
'practice' at the guildmaster

Slab: flaming items make healing spells 10% more powerful too, also could increase time a spell affects you by 10%

Zahri: when a newbie types help map, they see at the bottom that aod sells other maps.. however i think it would
be nice if you mentioned that he wanders around, and thus cannot be listed. I accidently ran into the guy outside
the druid guild, and realized

Slab: have another state of being, 'hyper' from coffee - fast recharge of moves + increased hitroll but as a
disvadantage have moves count double randomly (The caffeine spurs you on again!) increase AC slightly as another disadvantage.

Slab: add pill spells to identify

Polgara: how about a demon tongue or limb that drags (works like throw) a mob from another room into yours

DwarfMan: Put item in container should work for the container in your inventory. I almost didn't notice that
I was loading my HERO ITEMS in a container on the floor!

DwarfMan: Firm Grasp & Multiattack for Dwarves before level 20. They can double their damage at level 11.
Why shouldn't they get these WARRIOR skills before a wekling Elf!?

DwarfMan: Alcohol should make Dwarves more violent! It should automatically put them in frenzy and berzerk.
The strength of the spell would depend on the alcohol.....(Hail the almighty Firebreather!) :p

DwarfMan: Make idea work exactly like Note. example "Idea +1 , Idea + 2 . That way i can explain
ideas in more than 2-3 lines!!!!!!!!

Scratch: it would be nice if the bank didnt allow mobs in, or at least stealing ones like vagabond.

Polgara: how about raising the cost of death defeater slightly and adding fly to it?

Slab: make an empty drink container you can fill with any liquid from a fountain

Slab: put a history command on the yell channel

Slab: swap kick for another combat manoeuvre for druids or make it available before level 25 - it's not much use as
it is.

Slab: allow spells to be renewed when cast on a player who is already affected by said spell.

Slab: the weight of a drinks container should go down as you drink from it (as a percentage of the total
weight minus 2 or 3 for the weight of the container)

Polgara: How about some way to tell which of your multiple arms or limbs, of the same type, has a replacement?
*for demons*

Slab: make help newbiehelping available to all levels - we can all offer the basics to a newbie

Slab: add another player flag (like AFK and busy) to indicate that you are willing to group

Slab: make a different place for demons to go instead of recall, or stop the guardian from teaching spells

Slab: infravision should let you see room names when typing 'exits'

Grogar: deaths in a arena type room shouldn't be on the HEY!!! channel. way to much spam from people getting killed by guardians...

Suicide: help donate should state that demons donating items makes the item go "poof"

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Kiri's WWW of URLS:

From Scavenger - the Dialect Survey.

http://hcs.harvard.edu/~golder/dialect/index.html

You will hate me for this.

http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotag ... botage.asp

So whatever happened to the Ebay giant cheeto?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/0 ... index.html

Type in your mud name and see what happens

http://www.googlism.com/

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Replies by CORD:

> Beanis: not have fleeing mobs be memory mobs?

Cord: Well, you did attack the mob in the first place. But it is rather
silly having a near-dead mob telling me to prepare to die. Perhaps if the
memory mobs only aggro when their hitpoints are at least 80% of their max
hp?

> Moldfinger: a skill for avians whereby they fly from a fight (like
> normal birds do) the avian flies high into the air out of reach of non
> flying mobs and players, this ends the fight but doesn't leave the room

Cord: I like it. I'd add that the skill should be coded such that it
doesn't work when indoors.

> Amarilla: that Clericus cast giant strength for those who need it to
> get all corpse

Cord: Maybe add giant strength to the death defeater potion?

> Liubei: when a demon avatar tans a corpse the item should become
> demonwearable

Cord: That would make sense.

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Corny Jokes from Dove

Two peanuts walk into a bar.
One was a salted.
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A jumper cable walks into a bar.
The barman says "I'll serve you, but don't start anything."

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A sandwich walks into a bar.
The barman says "Sorry, we don't serve food in here."

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A dyslexic man walks into a bra...

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A man walks into a bar with a slab of asphalt
under his arm and says

"A beer please, and one for the road."

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Two aerials meet on a roof, fall in love and get married.

The ceremony wasn't much but the reception was great.

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Two cannibals are eating a clown.

One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?"

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"Doc, I can't stop singing 'The green, green grass of home'."

"That sounds like Tom Jones syndrome."

"Is it common?"

"It's not unusual."

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Two cows are standing next to each other in a field.

Daisy says to Dolly "I was artificially inseminated this
morning."

"I don't believe you," said Dolly.

"It's true, no bull!"

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Two hydrogen atoms meet.
One says "I've lost my electron."

The other says "Are you sure?"

The first replies "Yes, I'm positive."

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A man takes his Rottweiler to the vet and says

"My dog's cross-eyed, Is there anything you can do for him?"

"Well" says the vet "let's have a look at him."

So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, checks his
teeth,etc.

Finally he says "I'm going to have to put him down."

"What? Just because he's cross-eyed???"

"No, because he's really, really heavy."

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Apparently, one in five people in the world are Chinese.

And there are five people in my family, so it must be one
of them.

It's either my mum, or my dad......or maybe my older brother Colin.

Or my younger brother Ho-Chi-Choi.

But I'm pretty sure it's Colin.

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I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him fifty bucks
that he couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf.

He said "No, the steaks are too high."

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My friend drowned in a bowl of muesli.

He was pulled in by a strong currant.

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I went to a seafood disco rave last week....

and pulled a mussel.

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Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they lit a
fire in the craft, it sank.

This proves once and for all that you can't have your kayak and heat
it too.

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Two fish are in a tank.

One says to the other "I'll man the cannon, you drive."

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What do you call a fish with no eye?

A fsh.

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Two fish swim into a concrete wall.

The one turns to the other and says "Dam!".

Leiland · Post by **Leiland** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:30 am

Yes Kiri, I hate you for that link.
*tries to get her heart to star beating again*

Anakin · Post by **Anakin** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:29 am

Slab: allow people to con players

You can con them in the arena.

Erin: a safeguard on the remort command

Suicide: maybe the dragon muzzle could, if at high enough levels or once at avatar, confer all the types of breath
for no mana cost, making it more useful and thus more used

Dragon muzzle costs mana!? *still prefers his elephant trunk* *smooches Suicide*

Suicide: help donate should state that demons donating items makes the item go "poof"

I still think demons need a room for their donated items.

Divebomb · Post by **Divebomb** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:02 pm

Its: a demon limb that can heal

As if demon's aren't powerful enough.

Slab: allow 'help misc' for 'help miscellaneous'

Sure. You can use the "typo" command for something like this too, it's a really easy fix for new keywords on help files and when Kiri does typo changes she could very easily do these.

Slab: put gratz history in colour

Totally unnecessary.

Gilvain: I heard a *rumor* that the max ac is -350, I suggest boosting it

Actually it's -301 and "boosting it" is a lot more complicated than raising the number. That cap is to ensure that the higher level (40+) mobs aren't impossible.

Demonizer: it seems strange that mobs can flee while being crushed

Spite: if you have a mob in your tentacles the mob shouldn't be able to flee

I agree.

Its: give demoms a limb that could perry an attack

Again, as if demons aren't powerful enough. They don't have dodge and parry for the exact reason that they needed a drawback.

Slab: allow people to con players

I'm fairly sure con is just a level comparison anyway, nothing more.

Dawne: perhaps starswords could be lighter so that you can dual wield them in the offhand with most weapons without wielding a mage masher or something first

Lazy

Moldfinger: judging by the message, if a wounded mob sees you trying to dive him and moves out of the way, wouldn't he be rather annoyed and attack?

Unless he's trying to heal before getting in another fight. Fine by me if the mob attacks on a missed dive though.

Slab: add a level argument to slist, like for the armorer... for example, 'slist 16 20' would list all new spells available between levels 16 and 20

Slist isn't that long, you can't just read it and look at the line that matches your current level?

Teach: mana gain for a dwarf with 18(19) wis and 18 int when they level should be more than 2

Not sure how you got 18(19) but it's a random number based on your int and wis, you got very unlucky.

Avio: I hate chasing around blood trails from bleeding mobs! Mobs shouldn't be able to move/flee if they're in AWFUL condition!

They're not dead yet, so they can flee. If you don't like it, fight something else.

Erin: a safeguard on the remort command

Polgara: How about avatars having to type remort TWICE, just
like delete. It would prevent more...accidents.

Yup yup.

Cataclysm: being able to put groupmates current hp into prompt

I think that would get far too complicated and could, if you had a big enough group, make your prompt too big. I think it would be enough if just the TANK's hp were in your prompt. As in if you're hitting a mob but that mob isn't hitting you, whoever that mob is hitting is considered the TANK for this purpose. If you are hitting a mob and your groupmate is hitting a mob and your respective mobs are also hitting you (respectively) then you would be considered the TANK until you kill your mob and help your partner. If he was tanking and you were hitting the same mob and another mob was hitting you, he'd still be the tank of the mob you're focused on.

Polgara: How about a illithid skill called transport? It would let you teleport an item from one person to another. TO prevent unnecessary transports, have a config transport on/off

Too powerful. Teleport and summon are overly powerful as it is, we don't need to introduce yet another one.

Beanis: have a demon guild instead of having it at recall?

Slab: make a different place for demons to go instead of recall, or stop the guardian from teaching spells

I agree. There was discussion about this, but nobody's written an area for the new location yet.

Polgara: How about one less eye spot for demons and a tail/waist spot instead?

You're just tired of the 85 useless eyes. I wouldn't expect any "additions" to demons to occur for a long long time.

Anakin: A command that can set antisummon/antisocial to certain people only

Ignore would probably do this. If someone is harassing you, talk to an immortal. We do not tolerate harassment of any kind.

Anakin: A seperate room (like the RC's) where demon donated items go

Demons don't like to share, their stuff goes poof.

RadicalEd: have a way to find what someone's afk message is without sending them a tell, and figuring out what your current afk message is

Sure.

Kharn: make the 'alarm' command so that you can use it with the Mud time too

Sure.

Anakin: Attach the help file about damps in the help damage

Sure.

Anakin: Make it so that demons can name the damage of their limbs (i.e serpent arm licks an ant)

Dams?

Suicide: it should be impossible to summon a mob or player that's fighting

Yup yup.

Slab: glare or charm should allow you to use a mob's spells through the mob you have glared, if it can cast spells.

That's more complicated than you think it is. It would also force us to reconsider what spells we used on the mobs. For instance, spec_cast_elf/dru use healing spells. Mobs don't use mana. This would mean a glared mob is a permanent healer.

Alicia: change the way mtell works such that you get 5 (N) storage slots for lists (mtell create tgames gillibipple, amarilla,arabandia,racet,pyrite,spite). then you can mtell and it tells all those people who are on. (mtell tgames howdy)

You could just make an alias (zmud or in-game)

Scratch: also about area list, it would be nice if you could type "area lag" for instance and see what levels a certain area is meant for

Not a bad idea.

Suicide: maybe the dragon muzzle could, if at high enough levels or once at avatar, confer all the types of breath for no mana cost, making it more useful and thus more used

What makes it more or less useful? The only downside of "fire_breath" over the others is that it's target-only (not room). All breath spells are dependent on hitpoints.

Suicide: new remort race-banshees. can possess mobs (beat it into submission, once "dead", banshee becomes that mob(gains spell casting and/or some function of hp/mana), probably lose hp and mana slowly at some fixed rate.

No comment.

Johan: make tan more powerful, based on level - the items are timed...

Eh, it'd be ok if tan did something useful, i'm just not sure what.

Scratch: it would be interesting if samuel's winged sandals made you fly

Area designer's decision. That designer is unable to be contacted, so you're stuck being grounded.

Wizzywig: in my opinion, it would make sense if dexterity affected your hitroll

It would, but that's starting to screw around with the combat system and something that sounds as simple as "making dex affect hitroll" could completely outbalance the game.

Slab: separate arena deaths from other deaths in the death count

For the stat-interested people, yes, that would be kind of nice.

Slab: make a mob type that is agressive when looked at

We don't use MOBPrograms because of their instability. (They used to exist and were pulled a long long time ago)

Slab: make all new spells on a level appear in a different colour (or in capitals or something) when typing 'practice' at the guildmaster

Just use slist and look at the line for your level.

Slab: flaming items make healing spells 10% more powerful too, also could increase time a spell affects you by 10%

The discussion over flaming is widely debated. I don't know if it still exists in the new forums, but it's a can of worms. For now I'll just say it's unlikely flaming gets modified beyond what it currently does.

Zahri: when a newbie types help map, they see at the bottom that aod sells other maps.. however i think it would be nice if you mentioned that he wanders around, and thus cannot be listed. I accidently ran into the guy outside the druid guild, and realized

Good idea.

Slab: have another state of being, 'hyper' from coffee - fast recharge of moves + increased hitroll but as a disvadantage have moves count double randomly (The caffeine spurs you on again!) increase AC slightly as another disadvantage.

Erm... no.

Slab: add pill spells to identify

It's all part of the mystery of taking drugs.

Polgara: how about a demon tongue or limb that drags (works like throw) a mob from another room into yours

See earlier post about nothing being added to demons.

DwarfMan: Put item in container should work for the container in your inventory. I almost didn't notice that I was loading my HERO ITEMS in a container on the floor!

Yes, it should examine your inventory for that item type first.

DwarfMan: Firm Grasp & Multiattack for Dwarves before level 20. They can double their damage at level 11. Why shouldn't they get these WARRIOR skills before a wekling Elf!?

Those skills were meant to be hero skills. Perks for reaching certain points in the hero levels. Whether they should still be where they are could certainly a topic of debate. But that's why they are so late in the game.

DwarfMan: Alcohol should make Dwarves more violent! It should automatically put them in frenzy and berzerk. The strength of the spell would depend on the alcohol.....(Hail the almighty Firebreather!) :p

Erm... no.

DwarfMan: Make idea work exactly like Note. example "Idea +1 , Idea + 2 . That way i can explain ideas in more than 2-3 lines!!!!!!!!

This idea I like. Although it is kind of obnoxious for those ideas that are quick and simple (you know... most of them...). Long ideas, however, can be emailed to Kiri and she will include them.

Scratch: it would be nice if the bank didnt allow mobs in, or at least stealing ones like vagabond.

Kill the vagabond! And those sneaky thieves could just as easily sneak into the bank and pick your pocket!

Polgara: how about raising the cost of death defeater slightly and adding fly to it?

Potions are restricted to 3 spells, defeater already has 3 spells. Besides, you're at the magician, why not just buy the purple potion?

Slab: make an empty drink container you can fill with any liquid from a fountain

I don't really understand why all containers poof when they're empty come to think of it...

Slab: put a history command on the yell channel

Yell is only hearable in areas. That would require a history for every single area. That's quite a bit of memory required for something relatively useless. If you want a really good explanation, ask Scavenger because he wrote the history code.

Slab: swap kick for another combat manoeuvre for druids or make it available before level 25 - it's not much use as it is.

Be grateful druids get anything of the sort!

Slab: allow spells to be renewed when cast on a player who is already affected by said spell.

I'm not opposed to this as long as the spell is renewed to its maximam capacity, not stacked. Like if you can cast a 20 hour armor spell and it's at 10 hours, why shouldn't you be able to re-cast the armor spell and bring it back to 20?

Slab: the weight of a drinks container should go down as you drink from it (as a percentage of the total weight minus 2 or 3 for the weight of the container)

What drink containers are you carrying that make that much difference?

Polgara: How about some way to tell which of your multiple arms or limbs, of the same type, has a replacement? *for demons*

Highly requested, strongly urged to be implemented.

Slab: make help newbiehelping available to all levels - we can all offer the basics to a newbie

Nobody said a mortal can't help a newbie. The logic is that a hero has played enough to be able to adequately teach a newbie. If you're hoping that as a mortal you'll receive a starsword for helping newbies, forget it.

Slab: add another player flag (like AFK and busy) to indicate that you are willing to group

Fine with me.

Slab: infravision should let you see room names when typing 'exits'

Sure...

Grogar: deaths in a arena type room shouldn't be on the HEY!!! channel. way to much spam from people getting killed by guardians...

I agree... or at least arena deaths should be a different channel from a regular death.

Suicide: help donate should state that demons donating items makes the item go "poof"

Use typo for this and it'll probably go in faster.

Lairian · Post by **Lairian** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:00 pm

Avio: I hate chasing around blood trails from bleeding mobs! Mobs shouldn't be able to move/flee if they're in
AWFUL condition!

I'd like to point out the problem with this, by adding a small qualifier to your argument, which I'm sure if this is logic on your part and not just laziness you'll agree with.

THINGS shouldn't be able to move/flee when they're in AWFUL condition!

So, if YOU are totally messed up, you shouldn't be able to run away either.

Still want this added?

disaster · Post by **disaster** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:47 pm

no, dragon's muzzle doesn't use mana anakin, i was just meaning that the others should be breathable as well, also at a cost of no mana, or possibly that the type of breath should be randomized. come to think of it, that would make the most sense, having a possibility of each.

Everybody · Post by **Everybody** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:08 am

Gilvain: I heard a *rumor* that the max ac is -350, I suggest boosting it

As Dive said, -301. The point is that our entire combat system is designed around there being a very limited number of levels (35 for fighting) and this was enforced through caps inside the combat system. Therefore, it doesn't work well at all past 40. I've talked with Slart about this, and he doesn't even want to think about messing more than incidentally with the combat code at all.

Teach: mana gain for a dwarf with 18(19) wis and 18 int when they level should be more than 2

Please reference my explanation of mana gain posted here.

RadicalEd: have a way to find what someone's afk message is without sending them a tell, and figuring out what
your current afk message is

I've actually wanted something like this (at least as far as checking my afk message) for a fair bit of time.

Suicide: it should be impossible to summon a mob or player that's fighting

Absolutely.

DwarfMan: Put item in container should work for the container in your inventory. I almost didn't notice that
I was loading my HERO ITEMS in a container on the floor!

This has to do with what order the game looks at things. I've had the same problem, and I'm never going to get used to it, but it does make sense at points... after all, how else would you check for enterable containers?

DwarfMan: Make idea work exactly like Note. example "Idea +1 , Idea + 2 . That way i can explain
ideas in more than 2-3 lines!!!!!!!!

I like this idea, but I'd also like for the idea command to take anything that didn't correspond with the subarguments to then work like it does, now. (i.e. if you weren't telling the command to add to your "idea note," it'd just send whatever followed it on the line as an idea)

Slab: make an empty drink container you can fill with any liquid from a fountain

There's two problems with this. One is that if you empty a drink container, it disappears, instead of sitting around waiting to be refilled. Second is that you can only refill drinks from fountains of the appropriate type, and, currently, fountains can only emit water. If you drink from a fountain and get something else, it's because it's not actually a type "fountain" item.

Polgara: How about some way to tell which of your multiple arms or limbs, of the same type, has a replacement?
*for demons*

Not double-checked, but I believe Slart said this a while back: since he wouldn't ever implement anything like an identify for demons, his compromise is that new limbs will always grow underneath the lowest level limb of that type. (So if you have two stone legs, and a webbed foot is under one of them, it'll be under the lower level one.)